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It’s Riry Funny

My First Actual, Proper Portuguese Joke

I had this idea for a joke in Portuguese yesterday while I was studying and I decided to turn it into a tweet. The verdict seems to be that it’s a bit crap.

One guy on iTalki liked it when I put it up for corrections but everyone else said “I can see what you’re driving at but I didn’t actually laugh”. And it got zero retweets on Twitter.

The english translation, though, got 54 (and counting!)

…which is more than any other tweet I’ve ever done with the exception of a photograph of a train cake I made for my daughter’s birthday party that was so bloody awful that it briefly catapulted me to Twitter-fame. I’m not really sure what this means. I mused on iTalki…

Fiz uma “tweet” com a piada em português e então fiz um outro com uma tradução em inglês (a piada corre bastante bem em inglês também: “Arctic”/”Article”). O tweet inglês retweetou-se cinquenta-e-dois vezes, e o português… nada! Talvez este facto mostra que a piada não é engraçada em português, mas provavelmente somente mostra que a maioria dos meus seguidores não falam português!

…but I wonder is it purely because so few lusophones saw it or is there something specific about the humour that gets lost in translation?

Tickling the Lusophones

Obviously, some things are never going to translate because the humour hinges on a pun that wouldn’t exist in the other language. Like these:

p: qual é o animal que tem mais que três olhos e menos que quatro? r: piolho

p: qual é o instrumento musical que tem mais que três e menos que quatro anos? r: piano

(taken from here)

These jokes only work because the portuguese words pi+olho=piolho (π+eye=louse) and pi+ano=piano (π+year=piano). That’s a total dead-loss if you wanted to translate it.

In other cases, joke formats are specific to a time and place. The Portuguese don’t have lightbulb jokes, for example, so when I sent this to my teacher, she didn’t recognise it as a part of a wider tradition.

Quantos Brasileiros precise para mudar uma lâmpada? Nenhum. Lâmpada não mudou por causa do acordo ortográfico

To be honest, I think I’m a long way from understanding whether there is some impassable barrier to fully understanding what tickles another nation. I’d love to find out though!

Mnemonics

In the meantime, jokes and puns are a great way of brushing up your language skills and helping you remember stuff in a way that isn’t boring. Along the way, you get an insight into what makes people laugh in other countries. Here’s a guy getting his head around an old joke in English, for example. I happened to see it on iTalki today. They can be bilingual or just in the target language.

One of the simplest examples of puns as language-learning tools would be a mnemonic. Maybe you didn’t even realise that’s what you were doing when you came up with a mnemonic, but it’s all about the word play, baby, whether it’s acrostics, poems or puns. For example

You use a puxador when you want to push a door open

A puxador is a door handle and it is pronounced “pushadoor”. This is great until you find out that “puxar” actually means “pull”, not “push”. Push is “empurrar”, but even as you’re telling other people about this annoying fact, and tweeting “FML” about it, you are actually embedding all three new words in your mind in a single bad-luck anecdote, so it actually works better for being misleading.

5580857-160309235311One of my favourite apps, Memrise, encourages users to make “mems” – pictorial mnemonics – to help each other remember words. I have only done one because although I have ideas, who has that kind of time?

Here…

*points right*

…is my Mem for “As Cuecas”

 

 

Consoantes Perdidos

Another favourite joke format is the Lost Consonant. This is a format developed by Graham Rawle of the Guardian, back in the late eighties. He used to write a sentence that had one consonant omitted from one word, totally changing the meaning of the sentence. What I like about these is the challenge of making the grammar of the sentence work properly with or without the missing letter. That makes it a fun challenge for a person learning to write sentences in other languages, and to be honest, I suspect that I haven’t got it right every time when I have tried it. For example

which means

Increase the battery life of your mobile phone by not washing it in bleach

with the added c in “bateria” you get

Increase the life of the bacteria on your mobile phone by not washing it in bleach

But does the grammar actually make sense in either or both of these sentences? Christ knows, and I can’t even think how I would explain all this to a Portuguese person so they could judge. They’d think I was off my head.

There are some examples of original Graham Rawle Lost Consonants here.

Twitter Lost Consonants in English (#lostconsonants)

Twitter Lost Consonants in Portuguese (#consoantesperdidos)

Cartoons

I have already banged on at length about Astérix cartoons as the gateway to better vocabulary, but there are plenty of cartoons out there on the web if you know where to look and they can be quite instructive. Like this for example:

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It works because “nada” means “nothing” but it’s also the second person singular imperative form of the Portuguese verb “nadar” – so it means, “hey, person I know reasonably well – you need to swim now!” And there’s no better way of remembering that fact than by laughing at this joke!

I found a new comic I like called Zorg & Borges recently. I think it’s on this page but the Publico website seems to be horrifically slow right now so apologies if this sends you to the wrong place. There’s a single example of it on here for sure though!

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A Revolução

It’s quite rare that I actually understand tweets in Portuguese. Something about the condensed format, I suppose. I enjoyed these ones though.

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Marcaste!

This rare example of Cristiano Ronaldo posting something on Twitter that isn’t product placement is a really nice one minute of football (about as much football as I can stand tbh) and some good listening practice into the bargain. As a bonus, he is from Madeira so he even has the same accent as a minha esposa.

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Taking Over My Digital Life

I replaced my phone recently and did the setup in Portuguese right from the start so now EVERYTHING is in Portuguese. I have been getting messages all day with “Sex” in the title today, not because the Portuguese Android platform is more vulnerable to spam but because Sex is short for Sexta-Feira (Friday).

Meanwhile, on the ipod, all my carefully categorised music tracks are being retagged. Each time I play a track with a category that itunes understands it gets translated, so gradually all my Comedy section is becoming Comédia, Soundtracks are becoming Banda Sonora, and so on. Luckily, Rock is Rock in any language. My god, that would make a great album title.

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Practice Portuguese

Contrary to what I said a while ago, it seems Joel Rendall and Rui Coimbra are still in business. It’s just that my iTunes has been having a funny turn and failing to get new episodes. They are producing new podcasts once a month, with (for paying members) transcriptions and vocab guides. I decided I’d go ahead and subscribe after all since – although one a month isn’t much – there is a whole back catalogue of good quality, and actually quite funny material on the site that you get access to when you subscribe.

Their website is here if you want to go and have a look.

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Esta é a tua escova de dentes?

Acabei de ouvir um podcast. Um dos falantes disse “os idiomas são como as escovas de dentes: nunca deve de ter alguma na sua boca com excepção da sua”.

Não concordo com isto!

The original quote was something like “Languages are like toothbrushes. You should never have one in your mouth unless it’s your own” and it was on the Start the Week Podcast on Language and Reinvention.

My last sentence was originally “Não concordo consigo” which in my mind means “I don’t agree with him” but everyone who looked at it wanted it changed to “contigo” (with you… what????) or “com isso” (with that). To be honest, I’m not absolutely sure why it’s wrong, still. There are complicating factors: Portuguese (especially european portuguese) seems to be violently averse to pronouns, which doesn’t help, and also consigo can mean either “with him” or “I can” depending on the context. Maybe later I will understand what I did wrong but for now, best just change it to “Com isso” and be done with it.

 

 

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The Shape of Verbs to Come

I wrote a question on italki about whether or not there is a Portuguese equivalent of the English verb “to Google”. “Googlar” would be the likely form, I suppose. So far, nobody recognises it beyond the phrase “dar um google”.
Interestingly, I typed “googlar” into Google translate and it knew *exactly* what I meant so, Portugal and Brasil, even if you aren’t using it as a full verb yet, I think Google has plans that you will soon!  ;^)