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Corridinho Português

Translation time! This one of from Cara de Espelho, the new band I mentioned in yesterday’s post about Perdo da Silva Martins. This is one of the singles from the album, or would be if singles were still a thing. It’s a track that got released early. I have to hold my hands up, I totally misunderstood the title, but if you follow the footnotes you’ll see how I gradually came to understand what they meant by Corridinho.

I also wasn’t sure at first what they were saying about “separating” all these different types of people. If you just read the first verse it sounds like he’s complaining about there being too many immigrants or tourists in the country. Of course, that doesn’t tend to be the way Pedro de Silva Martins thinks: his work with Deolinda gave the impression that he was fairly left wing and had quite an open attitude to other people, so it would be surprising if he was now backing CHEGA, but who knows, we all get more right wing as we get older. And of course he’s entitled to his point of view. By the end though, it seems pretty clear that he’s saying “there’s more that unites us than divides us”, which I think is probably a healthier way to look at life, and certainly more fun.

PortuguêsInglês
Separando o africano do cigano
Do chinês, do indiano, ucraniano,
muçulmano, do romeno ou tirolês
Como vês
Sobra muito, muito pouco português, ó pá
Separating the african from the gypsy
From the chinese, the indian, ucranian, muslim, from the romanian or tirolean
As you see
There’s very, very little portuguese left, oh man!
Separando o cristão do taoista,
do judeu do islamita, do ateu ou do budista,
do baptista mirandês
Como vês
Sobra muito, muito pouco português, ó pá
Separating the christian from the taoist,
from the jew, from the islamist, from the atheist or from the buddhist,
from the mirandese baptist
As you see
There’s very, very little portuguese left, oh man!
E que tal juntar a malta numa boa*
A um corridinho** de Lisboa
Volta e meia*** e roda o par****
Triste é quem fica a ver dançar
And how about we get all the cool people together
For a Lisbon corridinho
From time to time and spin the pair
Anyone who just watches the dance is sad
Separando o celta do visigodo,
O huno do ostrogodo, o romano do suevo, ou o mouro do gaulês
Como vês
Sobra muito, muito pouco português, ó pá
Separating the celt from the visigoth,
The hun from the ostrogoth, the roman from the suebian, or the moor from the gaul
As you see
There’s very, very little portuguese left, oh man!
Se tu queres ainda separar o gay,
Da lésbica, do straight, da mulher, gente de bem,
Ou de quem sofre de gaguez
Como vês
Sobra muito, muito pouco português, ó pá
If you stull want to separate the gay,
From the lesbian, from the straight, from the woman, good people,
Or from people who stutter
As you see
There’s very, very little portuguese left, oh man!
E que tal juntar a malta numa boa
A um corridinho***** de Lisboa
Volta e meia e roda o par
Triste é quem fica a ver dançar
And how about we get all the cool people together
For a Lisbon corridinho
From time to time and spin the pair
Anyone who just watches the dance is sad
Ora tenta separar o teu genoma,
tu tens tanto de Lisboa como de Rabat ou Doha,
tudo soma no que és
Como vês
Sobra muito, muito pouco português, ó pá
Se ainda te faz muita confusão
Well try and separate your genome,
You have as much of Lisbon as of Rabat or Doha,
It all adds up to who you are
As you see,
There’s very, very little portuguese left, oh man!
Vai, separa o fótão do protão, do electrão
Até desvaneceres de vez
Como vês
Sobra muito, muito pouco português, ó pá
If it still really confuses you
Go, separate the photon from the proton, from the electron
Until you disappear for good
As you see
There’s very, very little portuguese left, oh man!
E que tal juntar a malta numa boa
A um corridinho de Lisboa volta e meia e roda o par

Pois…
And how about we get all the cool people together
For a Lisbon corridinho
From time to time and spin the pair

Sure…

* Numa boa seems to be an expression like “na boa” and “de boa” – basically, cool. OK, I hadn’t heard of that

**OK, I’ll put my hand up, I thought corridinho was related to corrida and that they were talking about some sort of group run. LOL. No, running is quite popular in portugal but in a song about bringing everyone together, a group run would be a bit of a weird way to do it.

***Volta e meia is another expression, meaning once in a while

****It took me a while to work this one out. Roda o par….? Wheel the pair? A pair of wheels? Are they going on a bike ride? What? It doesn’t even flow into the next line. Then I realised, obviously, roda is a verb, so it means “spin” or “rotate”. Rotating the pair: it’s a dance move, I think. I can only really find it in descriptions of brazilian dances like the chupim (part way down this page for example), but there aren’t that many written descriptions of dances so the fact that I couldn’t find an example from portugal doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.

*****And so we come full circle: Corridinho is a kind of dance popular in the Algarve. The Wikipedia entry for it doesn’t include the phrase “roda(r) a par”, but both words appear individually multiple times. You can see examples on youtube like this one – which has some excellent saia rodada action.

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Possessive Pronouns and Round Skirts

So I’m trying to sort out some basic grammar that I probably should have worked out a long time ago. To do this, I’ve been working with a different teacher who lives in the UK, simply because I don’t have the skills to be able to even ask the question in Portuguese and I needed someone who would understand me asking in english

Today: What’s the difference between these ways of exressing possession.

  • A sua propriedade
  • Propriedade sua
  • A propriedade dele

It always seems a bit random and I’ve never quite been able to spot a pattern. The third one is the obvious odd one out because it’s the only one that makes it clear that it’s the property of “him”, whereas the others could all be him, her, them, or, if you’re being formal, the person you’re speaking to, so in a way that helps – you could use when you wanted to be very specific about who it belongs to. In practice, I’m told, it’s also used in less formal, spoken situations.

As for the first and second, the answer seems to be simpler than I thought though: it just depends whether you have a definite article in there. If it’s a specific thing: this is his property, it’s “a sua propriedade”, whereas the second quote, which comes from my review of the film Comboio de Sal e Açúcar is about the subject’s attitude: he treated the passengers as his property.

There are some examples given here on Ciberdúvidas:

  • O livro é de um amigo meu [indefinite article: it belongs to a friend of mine]
  • O livro é do meu amigo [definite article: it belongs to my friend]

Now, here’s the shock though: I had been thinking of these words – seu, meu, minha, etc as possessive pronouns, but they’re not, they’re determinantes – more like adjectives, really: In “o meu amigo”, “amigo” is the noun and “meu” just determines whose friend he is. Meu can also be a possessive pronoun but only when it stands in for the noun.

“O Donald, as suas mãos são pequenas; as minhas são grandes”. In this sentence, “suas” is another determinant but “minhas” is a possessive pronoun because I’m using it instead of saying the whole noun again “as minhas maãos”. In english it’s doing the job of “mine” instead of just “my”. There are some other examples, explained in portuguese on Ciberdúvidas.

OK, simple, I can understand a couple of simple rules like that. I guess, though, it’s like most rules in english: you obey them only insofar as you can do so without writing something ugly. So I cam across a counter-example within about ten minutes of this conversation happening in the song “Saia Rodada” by Carminho. I’ve pasted the lyrics below and highlighted forms that match in green and the one that doesn’t in red.

Vesti a saia rodada
P’r’ apimentar a chegada
Do meu amor
No mural postei as bodas
Rezei nas capelas todas
Pelo meu amor
Vem lá de longe da cidade e tem
Os olhos rasos de saudade em mim
E eu mando-lhe beijos e recados em retratos meus
Pensa em casar no fim do verão que vem
Antes pudesse o verão não mais ter fim
Que eu estou tão nervosa com esta coisa do casar
Meu Deus
Vesti a saia rodada
P’r’ apimentar a chegada
Do meu amor
No mural postei as bodas
Rezei nas capelas todas
Pelo meu amor
Por tantas vezes pensei eu também
Sair daqui atrás dos braços seus
De cabeça ao vento e a duvidar o que faz ele por lá
São os ciúmes que a saudade tem
E se aos ciúmes eu já disse adeus
Hoje mato inteiras as saudades que o rapaz me dá

(source)

I think all that’s happening here is that she’s stretched the normal rules to make the rhyme with “adeus” work in the next triplet. I’ve added it to my list of questions for next time.

Anyway, as a side note, I wondered what a “saia rodada” was anyway. A round skirt? I googled it and saw a load of pictures of… well… skirts. So I asked online and was told it would all make sense if I searched for videos of “saia rodada danca” but it didn’t work because there’s an insupportable brasilian rock band called saia rodada and this is the first video I got.

But then a portuguese guy mentioned that it was “folclorico” so I added that into my search and had more luck. Apparently it’s a long, swishy skirt that is used in a lot of dances because of the way it moves. Here are some people demonstrating. Tag yourself, I’m the guy in the grey trousers.

WHew! It’s been a long time since I wrote this much about grammar and general musings. Well, come for the determinantes possessivos, stay for the grupo folclórico.